<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks so much for this discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>There are many issues that need to be addressed. There is a tendency in the North, but not only, to focus on consumption systems, whereas a great many of the problems are created by the profit maximizing approach in essentially monopolised or oligopolized markets. Indeed, one can say that the global food system is shaped by the North, as they dominate in agricultural rule making and maintain an unfair advantage in food production with subsidy system (I am not against subsidies, but the lopsided rules makes burning the Amazon not only profitable but desirable, while rich country farmers can out compete low wage Third World countries).</div><div><br></div><div>The corporatised system is hurting small and family farms in the North, and ALL agriculture in the South. It is essentially a dual currency regime by the rich countries, which is maintained so that they can project force and maintain food security, irrespective if there is hunger in the Third World.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_fight_desertification_and_reverse_climate_change">Alan Savory</a>, a Zimbabwean, has conduct research and experiments in Africa, and puts paid to much of the understanding of African pastoralists, nomads and herders causing devastation to the environment and just moving on while leaving nature to clean up the mess. Some of this colonial anthropology and human/enviro metabolism needs rethinking - as instead of being "primitive", these people were actually restorative of the land, and their movement patterns brought nutrients, tilled the soil, and mulched the waste into the land, in a way that was generative. Similar findings are coming out of other regions. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Of course a system that is based on profit maximisation and survival of the fittest/ruthless in the market will not be open such practices. And is a dialectical point to make for those cultures that seek to maintain a metabolic balance. It goes without saying that production which causes a metabolic rift are to be challenged. And very little will change unless the North sorts out its agriculture, unfortunately. And we know even progressive groups like Via Campesina, while doing mostly good work, cannot confront the issues of unfair rules at the WTO or in trade agreements in a way that saves people and the environment.</div><div><br></div><div>In short, consumption and production need to be looked.</div><div><br></div><div>Riaz Tayob</div><div>SEATINI South Africa<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 at 06:30, Maureen McCue <<a href="mailto:mickiq@earthlink.net">mickiq@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial">"largely" being the operative word! Some meat, some of the time can actually be beneficial for the environment, jobs, and health depending on how it's organized. It's the current situation where meat is promoted 3 times/day, 7 days/week after being raised in CAFO's or on lands that were once forested that is so harmful. When it comes to food, nutrition, health and well being, careful language is key. People around the globe evolved eating different diets, plant/grain based, fish based, meat and dairy based. No where at no time were any people being exposed to profit based promotion of peculiar, environment or health destructive diets like they are today. M.<br><br><blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:0px;border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,255);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----
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<br>Subject: Re: PHM-Exch> Article: India is Not a 'Vegetarian Country' Like the EAT-Lancet Report Would Have Us Believe
<br><br><div dir="ltr">Hi Sulakshana/ Sylvia and all - <div>Thanks for sharing this excellent article in The Wire - you underline many important points in this article. At the same time I find as someone vegetarian for environmental reasons, that many in India believe that eating non-veg is somehow a politically progressive thing to do (in the face of Hindu nationalism). In this age of climate change and carbon footprints and over-eating, I think it behoves all of us with the privilege of being well-nourished, and above the poverty line to choose a largely plant based diet.</div><div><br></div><div>Kaaren</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:30 PM Sulakshana Nandi <<a href="mailto:sulakshana.nandi@gmail.com" target="_blank">sulakshana.nandi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Friends<div>Please find the link to an article by Dr. Sylvia Karpagam (who is part of Right To Food Campaign and JSA) and others on the EAT-Lancet Commission report and recommendations, in the context of India <a href="https://thewire.in/food/eat-lancet-commission-vegetarian-country" target="_blank">https://thewire.in/food/eat-lancet-commission-vegetarian-country</a></div><div>I am sure that the issues raised in this article would be relevant for many other countries too.</div><div>with regards</div><div>Sulakshana</div></div>
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