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<div>Your point again well taken, Alison. Let us see what our fellow phm-exchangers think.</div>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Yes, but everything depends on that phrase “if countries can genuinely not do so”. They cannot do so <i>because of the international architecture of the international community. </i>Unless that absurdity is pointed out, the HR discourse is inevitably seen as hypocritical and self serving and that is a pity.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">It is like taking (an enormous amount) with one hand and giving back crumbs of so called international solidarity with the other hand.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">As you know I promote a social and economic justice and human rights-based approach, but I understand why many social justice militants distrust the HR establishment discourse. I think that we in PHM must be very clear that we distinguish ourselves from that. It is no different from the quote from the liberation theologian “When I help the poor they call me a saint but when I ask why they are poor they call me a communist” [and assassinate me (he was assassinated, I think)].</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"> I</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">f the H+HR journal under new editorss does not get this right, then we are very far from any kind of meaningful social justice thinking. </span></p>
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<p>I see your point, Alison, but in HR parlance that is what is said: That the intl community must step-in to help uphold RTH if countries can genuinely not do so... It may be wrong, but not really A. Grover's fault.</p>
<div><span>On 8/28/09, <b>Alison Katz</b> wrote:</span> </div>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">If you look at the para from A. Grover that is cited, it is STILL saying that if the poor countries can’t afford it, then the international community must step in. How is it possible to still not grasp that the eventual objective has to be precisely that international inequalities be tackled. No, we emphatically do not want some “international community” (IFIs, development “assistance”) financing the right to health. How can the H+HR journal under new editors (less limited than the previous ones) still not be insisting that the right to health in incompatible with development “aid”? Is the Grover piece seriously offering the Global fund as a good example of how the right to health should be delivered?</span></p>
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<p style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">The power of community in advancing the right to health</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy"><br>A conversation with Anand Grover:</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">“…..The community is the most effective tool that we have: an organic tool, not a tool in the abstract or purely instrumental sense, but a living, organic tool which can see to it that the right to health is actually delivered. You just have to compare the efficiencies of the Global Fund, in terms of actual delivery, to the traditional systems of financing, and you see a vast difference. This suggests how we have to shift the paradigm across the sectors, not only in HIV. And HIV activists are very clear that health systems must respond to the needs of all people who suffer disadvantage in health — whether it’s because of poverty, as Paul Farmer has discussed, or because of other forms of discrimination and marginalization, for example the discrimination that affects indigenous peoples or other ethnic minorities. Now we must deliver, and those communities must be part of the process of decision-making, implementation, monitoring, and accountability. That’s what HIV has shown as a living reality, and that’s what we want to translate into other areas of health. ..”</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">‘…HHR: Why might the mandate of the Special Rapporteur be especially important right now?</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">AG: The economic crisis shows the importance of systematic action to protect rights, including the right to health, especially for poor and marginalized groups. In the 1990s, we had economic liberalization, which usually meant only privatization. The poor were pushed into deeper poverty, while the rich became richer. In this context, it’s all the more important to insist that the right to health is universal. But this isn’t just a philosophical principle. It’s about budgeting. As I said, we can’t ignore budgeting anymore. And budgeting doesn’t mean that governments in low-income countries must pay for everything from their own resources. The right to the highest attainable standard of health, and the responsibility to protect the right, have to be seen in international terms. This means you look at international systems of financing. If a country’s resources aren’t adequate, then money has to come from abroad, also. That financing commitment has to be part of the international rights agenda….”</span></p>
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